Senator BRANDIS (Queensland—Attorney-General, Vice-President of the Executive Council and Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:12): What we are trying to explain to all senators and to all of the Australian people is that unless we get the budget under control it is not in the national interest, because they will be not enough money for future generations to fund decent social welfare provisions and all of the other things that the nation needs. Senator, you have consistently voted in this chamber against budget savings. Through you, Mr President, you, Senator Brown, and those who sit behind you, have consistently voted in this chamber against budget savings, including budget savings that you yourself had booked in the 2016 election. So, Senator Carol Brown, we know what the Labor Party's attitude is to budget savings. To promise them in the election campaign and then vote against them in the chamber and prevent the government from taking the measures that are necessary to bring the budget back into balance, that is your approach. Well, Senator Brown, on our side of the chamber we take a very different approach. We do not spend money that we cannot offset with savings— The PRESIDENT: Order! Pause the clock. Senator Gallagher, a point of order? Senator Gallagher: On relevance—the question was around whether the Liberal Party has explained to its preferred partner, One Nation, about the cuts to pensions. The PRESIDENT: The minister commenced his answer by indicating that he not only has explained to those senators but to all senators, and then he went on to explain, as we heard the minister say. So the minister has been relevant. Minister, you have the call. Senator BRANDIS: So that is what we have explained to every senator in the chamber, including you, Senator Brown, though you do not seem to want to listen to the fact that this country, which inherited a worse financial position from the previous Labor government than any incoming government had ever inherited in Australian history, has had to take measures in order to get the budget under control, and that includes the savings measures that we have brought before the Senate—$13 billion worth of savings measures, which you have consistently blocked. So it does not lie to you, Senator Brown, or to those who sit behind you, to criticise the government's visions— (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Brown, a supplementary question.