Senator CANAVAN (Queensland—Minister for Resources and Northern Australia) (14:05): I am not exactly familiar or sure what Barnaby Joyce thinks about every comment that my good colleague and friend Senator Cormann might make, but, Senator Sterle, I am sure there are other avenues you can try to get Barnaby's opinion on that. Senator Wong: You represent him, actually. I thought he ran you, or is it the other way round? Senator CANAVAN: What I would say is that the Liberal and National Parties have a strong relationship. I know in the context of this discussion there have been descriptions of some parties being sophisticated or what have you. May I say over here, Senator Sterle, we are a proud and independent party in the National Party. Senator Kim Carr: You've been treated like doormats—sophisticated doormats. Senator CANAVAN: We make our own arrangements. While I do not particularly care if we are considered sophisticated or not, we are actually happy to be unsophisticated over here. When I look around at my colleagues, some of them—I hope they do not take it the wrong way—are particularly unsophisticated. If these latte-sippers over here on my right want to be sophisticated, they can go right ahead. We will be unsophisticated right here.