Senator SINODINOS (New South Wales—Cabinet Secretary) (14:13): Again, I welcome the question. Mary Robinson is right and the Turnbull government is right. We are getting on with mitigating and adapting to climate change. We are not just worrying about the science. We are doing something about it, and different countries have different sets of policies to meet the commonly accepted set of goals that were set in Paris. Senator Wong: Mr President, on a point of order: relevance. The minister was asked about climate change research. He is talking about emissions reductions. They are different things. I would ask him to return to the question. The PRESIDENT: Senator Wong, he was asked about comments of Mary Robinson and the Turnbull government's position and he answered that first up. That is my understanding. I will call the minister. Senator SINODINOS: This typifies the difference between these sides of politics. They worry about process and we worry about outcomes. I was talking about outcomes, getting results, and policies in place. That is what this policy is all about. Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: On my left! You have a senator on his feet waiting to ask a question.