Senator FIFIELD (Victoria—Manager of Government Business in the Senate, Minister for Communications and Minister for the Arts) (14:44): As I indicated earlier, the costs of fibre to the premises are very high. They are very high and, as I indicated earlier, the audited half-yearly results released last month show that full fibre to the premise is continuing to cost, on average, over $4,000 per premise. Senator Conroy: They won't keep lying for you for much longer. The PRESIDENT: Senator Conroy! Minister, you have the call. Senator Conroy interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order on my left! Minister, you have the call. Senator Conroy, stop interjecting. Senator FIFIELD: Thanks, Mr President. It is clear that fibre to the premise is expensive. It is over $4,000 per premise. Nbn have had a trial of a variation of fibre-to-the-node product. It is not fibre to the premise; it is a variation of a fibre-to-the-node product, which is no secret, because nbn announced that they were doing it—no stunning revelation. Nbn seeks to do that which is most cost effective.