Senator JOHNSTON (Western Australia) (14:30): Mr President, I ask a further supplementary question. Lastly, can the minister advise the Senate how a separate industrial regulator— A government senator interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator JOHNSTON: could change the culture of unlawful— Senator Sterle interjecting— Senator JOHNSTON: in the building industry— The PRESIDENT: Senator Sterle! Senator Sterle: You grub! The PRESIDENT: Senator Sterle, withdraw that please. Senator Sterle: Out of due respect to you, Mr President, I will. The PRESIDENT: Thank you, Senator Sterle. Senator Johnston, would you like to start again? Senator JOHNSTON: Thank you, Mr President, yes, I would. Can the minister advise the Senate how a separate industrial regulator could change the culture of unlawfulness in the building industry?