Senator McKIM (Tasmania) (14:36): Mr President, I appreciate that. I ask a supplementary question. Senator Abetz, you have admitted that you were briefed in relation to those matters at the time, but you have astoundingly claimed that: No sum of money was mentioned. And that: No advice was sought or offered. They are direct quotes from you. Are those statements admissions of your complete incompetence and your wilful ignorance or are you lying to the Tasmanian and Australian people about your level of knowledge at the time? Government senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator McKim, as to the final part of your question, I will rule it out completely, in relation to the honesty or otherwise of the minister. I invite the minister to answer any portion of that question which he wishes to answer.