Senator ABETZ (Tasmania—Leader of the Government in the Senate, Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for the Public Service and Minister for Employment) (14:51): In relation to the specifics, I will take both those matters on notice. Can I invite, just for once, the Australian Labor Party to consider what they are engaged in. Today the Law Council of Australia has issued a release which says: The public attacks on the Commissioner— Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: On my left! Senator Cameron and Senator Edwards! On my right! Senator ABETZ: It says: The public attacks on the Commissioner being played out through the media are unacceptable and damage the basis on which tribunals and courts operate. The proper— Senator Conroy: He should resign. Senator ABETZ: It is exactly that behaviour, Senator Conroy, that the Law Council of Australia condemns and quite rightly so. Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Conroy and Senator Carr! Senator ABETZ: Mr President, can I say the Australian Labor Party has a record in this area. When a royal commission was established into Carmen Lawrence's behaviour, the Labor Party went out immediately to attack and anybody who would take on that role would face the full force of the ALP. They did the same thing with Commissioner Cole when he was charged to look into the corruption of the construction sector. When a judge of the High Court addresses a Labor Party function—in fact, the inaugural Neville Wran lecture—nothing could be seen. 'This is a Labor Party event. There can't be a problem there.' But when there is the suggestion that somebody— (Time expired) Senator Wong: You didn't listen to the Law Council on Gillian Triggs. You were happy to traduce her. The PRESIDENT: Senator Wong! Senator Conroy: Not this Liberal stooge. The PRESIDENT: Order on both sides! Senator Heffernan interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Heffernan. Senator Conroy: We can hear him and you know it. You'd better shut him up. The PRESIDENT: I do not need help from you, Senator Conroy. Senator Cameron interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Cameron! Senator Conroy: Seriously, you've got to do something about him. The PRESIDENT: I did not hear the name mentioned. Order! Senator Heffernan, if you made any inappropriate remarks, I expect you to withdraw them. Senator Heffernan: I didn't. Senator Conroy: No, you didn't! Senator Heffernan: I will tell you what I said. The PRESIDENT: No, you will not repeat them. Senator Heffernan: I said Justice James Wood was the royal commissioner—this is what I said. The PRESIDENT: Do not repeat anything inappropriate, Senator Heffernan. Senator Heffernan: He was on the clear— The PRESIDENT: Sit down, Senator Heffernan! I will ask you one more time. You will not repeat anything inappropriate. If you did say something inappropriate, I expect you to stand up and to withdraw. Senator Heffernan: I did not.