Senator ABETZ (Tasmania—Leader of the Government in the Senate, Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for the Public Service and Minister for Employment) (14:37): The only cuts to penalty rates that have occurred in Australia other than those so shamefully negotiated by Mr Shorten—unknown to the workers at the time—including having the Chiquita mushroom workers sacked and then re-employed without those conditions— Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order on my left. Senator Cameron: Mr President, I rise on a point of order: relevance. The minister is using the same standard answer to run away from direct questions. He really should be dealing with these very important questions that are being put to him and he should be relevant to the standing orders. The PRESIDENT: I remind the minister of the question. He has 40 seconds in which to answer. Senator ABETZ: I can understand Senator Cameron's huge embarrassment at the record of Mr Shorten in getting rid of penalty rates. There was one review initiated by Mr Shorten and the Labor Party and that was the modern award review. During that process, Labor's independent umpire decided to cut penalty rates in the casual award. Labor's laws, Labor's independent umpires and the workers got a cut in penalty rates. To try to cover up for that and for Mr Shorten's own personal activities, this subterfuge is being raised. (Time expired)