Senator KIM CARR (Victoria) (14:02): Mr President, I ask a supplementary question. I remind the minister that the latest lay-offs come on top of the 450 jobs that have already been lost at Forgacs on the Abbott government's watch, making a total of 610 jobs lost at this shipyard alone. This is in a period when you have decided as a government to send two ships offshore. And this is in addition to the 120 jobs lost at ASC in Adelaide and 100 more at BAE in Williamstown— (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: As the time for asking the question expired, Senator Brandis, there was no question there, but I will allow you to address the question in any way you wish to.