Senator BRANDIS (Queensland—Deputy Leader of the Government in the Senate, Vice-President of the Executive Council, Minister for Arts and Attorney-General) (14:17): National security legislation, like all legislation, has been and always will be considered— Senator Wong interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Wong, you have asked your question. Senator BRANDIS: Mr President, I cannot even hear myself speak for the braying interjections coming from the Leader of the Opposition in the Senate. Senator Wong: Malcolm Turnbull is a better lawyer than you and you are scared— The PRESIDENT: Senator Wong, you have asked your question. Minister, you have the call. Senator BRANDIS: All legislation— Senator Wong: Malcolm is a better lawyer than you and you want to avoid the cabinet. Senator BRANDIS: Mr President, I cannot even hear myself speak for all the yelling out from Senator Wong. The PRESIDENT: Order! Senators on my left and on my right are not facilitating the smooth flow of question time. Just as the questioner is entitled to be heard in silence so is the minister. Senator IAN MACDONALD: Mr President, I rise on a point of order; it is really a request. Can you ask the broadcasting people to please turn up the sound on Senator Brandis's microphone because I am sitting this close to him and I cannot hear his answer over the constant shouting of the Leader of the Opposition in the Senate. The PRESIDENT: If all senators exercise restraint and do not interject, we will be able to hear the minister. Senator BRANDIS: As I was trying to say, all legislation, including legislation in relation to national security, will be considered by an orthodox cabinet process. This legislation is no different.