Senator KIM CARR (Victoria) (15:01): Mr President, I ask a further supplementary question. Given the impractical time lines for the Pacific Patrol Boat Program, the offshoring of the supply ships, the sham Future Submarine process designed to deliver work to Japan, why is it that this government is so determined to kill off local shipbuilding, a decision that will see the loss of thousands of Australian jobs in shipyards in this country? Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order on both sides!