Senator CONROY (Victoria—Deputy Leader of the Opposition in the Senate) (14:45): Mr President, I ask a supplementary question. I refer the minister to comments by the former commander of the Japanese submarine fleet, retired Vice Admiral Kobayashi, who was questioned about whether Australia has the skills to build our future submarines. Does the minister agree with the vice admiral's assessment that Australian shipyards 'don't have enough skilled workers to fashion the high-tension steel'?