Senator BRANDIS (Queensland—Deputy Leader of the Government in the Senate, Vice-President of the Executive Council, Minister for Arts and Attorney-General) (14:06): I am pleased to tell you, Senator Wong, that the relationship between Australia and Indonesia, notwithstanding that there are interruptions from time to time, most recently at the time of the executions of Chan and Sukumaran— Senator Cameron interjecting— Senator BRANDIS: something that you might choose to laugh about, Senator Cameron, but that we regard as a human tragedy. The PRESIDENT: Pause the clock! Senator Wong: Mr President, I rise on a point of order. That was a false and, if I may say, malicious imputation. That was not what Senator Cameron was responding to, and the Acting Leader of the Government should withdraw it. The PRESIDENT: If the Attorney-General deems it appropriate, it would assist if he would like to withdraw that remark in relation to Senator Cameron. Senator BRANDIS: Mr President, if it assists you, I will. As I was saying, the relationship between Indonesia and Australia occasionally faces difficulties. That has been the case on the watch of both sides of politics, but the relationship is in extremely good shape notwithstanding. It is in much better shape, I might say, than it was during the period of the Labor government when, for example, as a result of a decision of Senator Ludwig—who now lingers there on the backbench—when he was minister for agriculture we banned the export of live cattle to Indonesia, interfering with the food chain of that nation. (Time expired)