Senator RONALDSON (Victoria—Minister for Veterans' Affairs, Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for the Centenary of ANZAC and Special Minister of State) (14:54): I think the chamber might be more surprised if I talked about what was in the budget, as opposed to what may or may not be in the budget. I think, in the interests of fairness, and so we do have a proper debate, I might just go through the Australian Labor Party's cuts in relation to this— The PRESIDENT: Pause the clock. Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order on both sides! Senator Cameron, on a point of order. Senator Cameron: Thank you, Mr President. This is on relevance: the minister is saying that he is in a debate. He has to answer a question—something he has failed to do ever since he has been on the front bench. The PRESIDENT: Thank you, Senator Cameron. There is no point of order. Senator RONALDSON: What Senator Cameron has not done since he has been on the front bench is ask a question of Senator Payne—not one question since September 2013 has been asked by the man who just— Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Pause the clock. Order on both sides! Senator Conroy interjecting— The PRESIDENT: That means you too, Senator Conroy. Senator Moore on a point of order. Senator Moore: It is on direct relevance to the question asked by Senator Carr. It is about the minister being able to assure the Senate that the program will not be further cut or abolished in the upcoming budget. It is very straightforward, Mr President. I would ask you to draw the minister's attention to the question. The PRESIDENT: Thank you, Senator Moore. I draw the minister's attention to the question. He has 19 seconds in which to answer. Senator RONALDSON: As the Minister for Finance said, on the second Tuesday in May the budget will be announced. I will just go through the Labor cuts: the 2014 budget, an efficiency dividend of two per cent, a saving of $902 million— Senator Moore: I rise on a point of order, Mr President, again direct relevance. I seek your assurance in this place as to whether reading out a list actually responds directly to our question. Is that directly relevant? The PRESIDENT: Just prior to the minister referring to the list as you have just mentioned, Senator Moore, he did indicate that the answer will be in the budget in May—which was part of the question. But, as always, ministers are entitled to enhance their answers— Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Minister, have you concluded your answer? You have two seconds remaining. Senator RONALDSON: No, I have not done—and in fact, there was the cessation of the facility funding of $384 million— (Time expired)