Senator ABETZ (Tasmania—Leader of the Government in the Senate, Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for the Public Service and Minister for Employment) (14:17): I am not going to use question time to try to advertise for The Australian Financial Review, as Senator Dastyari just has. But, when it comes to matters financial and public disclosure, I do not think Senator Dastyari is in a very strong position to seek to lecture us. What I would say— The PRESIDENT: Pause the clock. Senator Dastyari: Mr President, I rise on a point of order. I would ask that the minister retract that statement. The PRESIDENT: I am not aware of a statement that the minister has used that I would regard as unparliamentary. Senator ABETZ: If the hat fits, wear it, Brother. Senator Wong: Mr President, I rise on a point of order. The minister just said: 'If the hat fits, wear it, Brother.' The PRESIDENT: No, we are not talking about that. That was an interjection. Senator Wong: I am putting that on the record, because it makes clear the imputation about financial irregularity— The PRESIDENT: What is your point of order, Senator Wong? Senator Dastyari: The minister should withdraw. There was clearly an imputation. I am asking you to ask the minister to withdraw. The PRESIDENT: That was an interjection. The first point of order was Senator Dastyari asking the minister to withdraw, and I am at a loss to understand what the minister needs to withdraw. Senator Dastyari: Mr President, there was a clear inference and imputation to my character. I understand meanings that have been held to be a personal reflection. From statements that you have made to us privately and publicly about raising the standard in this place, I do not think that was an appropriate part of the discussion. The PRESIDENT: Thank you, Senator Dastyari. I will invite the minister to continue, and I will invite the minister, if he deems it necessary, to withdraw any statement he made. Senator ABETZ: I am not sure that anything that I said could be taken as offensive, unless there were certain other matters at play in the honourable senator's conscience. Given that, I will withdraw—for the benefit of his conscience. Senator Wong: Mr President, I rise on a point of order. That should be withdrawn. An honourable senator: That's what lawyers call a guilty denial of truth. Senator ABETZ: Yes, a guilty conscience. Senator Wong: And that should be withdrawn. Senator ABETZ: What? Senator Wong: 'Guilty conscience' in the context of that withdrawal—that should be withdrawn, too. The PRESIDENT: I will ask the minister if he would assist and withdraw that comment. I will review the vision and the sound of the last question and come back to the chamber if I need to. Minister, if you wish to withdraw that last remark, that would assist. I invite you to complete your answer. Senator ABETZ: To assist the laughing senator opposite, I will withdraw. That is how seriously he took the matter. The PRESIDENT: Thank you, Minister. Senator ABETZ: Let us just get all that on the record. This is the immaturity of the Australian Labor Party—a Labor Party that will not deal with the real issues of the country. To say that the Prime Minister has lost the plot in relation to debt is— (Time expired)