Senator ABETZ (Tasmania—Leader of the Government in the Senate, Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for the Public Service and Minister for Employment) (14:02): Mr President, I can fully understand why Senator Sterle is so exercised about this issue, given that the Labor Party struggled to get one Labor senator elected at the last Senate election! Of course, if there were a double dissolution our friend, Senator Sterle, may well be struggling to come back. And, given my great friendship— Senator Jacinta Collins: No, no! He wants one! Opposition senators interjecting— Senator Kim Carr: Sean says, 'Bring it on!' The PRESIDENT: Pause the clock! Minister, just a moment. Senator Conroy: Yes—Sean Edwards says, 'Bring it on!' The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Conroy! Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Both sides! Senator Bilyk and Senator Collins! Senator ABETZ: And, Mr President, given my genuine affection for Senator Sterle, and not wanting him to be displaced from this place, I can assure him that I will do everything I can to ensure that this Senate does the right thing by legislation so that the situation for a double dissolution is completely and utterly academic. I am genuinely concerned for the future of Senator Sterle. And in relation to things that may or may not be discussed at leadership, my— The PRESIDENT: Pause the clock! Senator Cameron—a point of order? Senator Cameron: Yes, Mr President. My point of order is on relevance— Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Just a moment, Senator Cameron. Senator Conroy: It's not far to Yarralumla in the car— The PRESIDENT: Senator Conroy! Senator Cameron: My point of order is on relevance. The key issue that was asked was: was Senator Abetz present in a discussion on a double dissolution? The PRESIDENT: Thank you, Senator Cameron. I think you rose to your feet as the minister was answering that particular aspect. Minister—have you concluded your answer? Senator Abetz: Yes, Mr President.