Senator CORMANN (Western Australia—Minister for Finance) (14:13): When it comes to imposing more red tape costs on business, this former minister for finance and more regulation knows all about it. This is of course the minister— Senator Wong interjecting— Senator CORMANN: Senator Wong is again interjecting. She is trying to query relevance. What I would say, Mr President, is that former finance minister Senator Wong asked me about red tape costs for business, and I am directly responding to the assertion. The PRESIDENT: Pause the clock. A point of order, Senator Moore. Senator Moore: Mr President, I am actually taking the point of order, not Senator Wong. It is in terms of direct relevance to the question asked by Senator Wong. It is about Ms Westcott's statements. It is about a direct response to the question. Senator Abetz: Mr President, I cannot hear the point of order because of the incessant interjections of the Leader of the Opposition. Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! No-one is to respond to any interjections. That is the first rule. All senators need to come to order. In relation to the point of order, Senator Moore, I remind the minister that he has 35 seconds in which to answer the question, and I remind him of the question. Senator CORMANN: We have a proud track record of reducing red tape-related costs for business by more than $2 billion a year. When it comes to the implementation of a policy commitment which we took to the last election, that was part of the conversation with the Australian people in the lead-up to the last election. On this side of the parliament we actually delivered on the commitments that we made to the Australian people before the election. But let me just say that Labor imposed more than 21,000 new pieces of red tape. We are actually reducing red-tape costs for business every single day, and we are proud of our record. (Time expired)