Senator ABETZ (Tasmania—Leader of the Government in the Senate, Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for the Public Service and Minister for Employment) (14:14): At this stage I have not been provided with a copy of the letter, but I fully understand that any worker who has their pay reduced— Senator Lines: By you! By you! Senator ABETZ: would find that very difficult. But I say to Senator Lines, shouting as she always does, from her own home state of Western Australia the CFMEU negotiated a wage decrease with a builder to keep that business— Senator Wong: Mr President, I raise a point of order on relevance. The question was about cleaners in the department of immigration. It is not about any other industrial matter, as much as the minister would like to ignore it. While I am on my feet, if I may, Mr President, could I respectfully request that you consider the Hansard subsequent to this question time as to whether this minister, in fact, misled the Senate when he said that the pay cut was 'nothing to do with the removal of the guidelines'? I would ask that you consider that subsequently. The PRESIDENT: Firstly, Senator Wong, the second matter is not in order for you to raise with me, in the context of a point of order in relation to the question. Secondly, the minister was directly relevant. He answered the question up-front and he has continued his answer. I suggest you reflect on Hansard there. Minister, you are relevant; you have the call. Senator ABETZ: What those opposite do not want to hear as well is that, if I recall correctly, the National Union of Workers, for their warehouse workers of the Coca-Cola Amatil warehouse in New South Wales— The PRESIDENT: Pause the clock! Point of order—Senator Conroy? Senator Conroy: Mr President, I am struggling on a point of order of relevance to see how the NUW have anything to do with the cleaners in this building. I would ask you to rule his answer not relevant and ask him to come back to the question. The PRESIDENT: It has been a consistent practice over many years, Senator Conroy, that once a minister has answered the question and has been directly relevant the minister can enhance their answers if they wish to. That has been a constant practice for many, many years—ever since I have been in this chamber. Minister, you have the call. Senator ABETZ: When contracts are renegotiated sometimes, regrettably, it does mean that wages need to be renegotiated as well. The CFMEU has acknowledged that, the NUW has acknowledged that, as has the AMWU or the AWU, in relation to SPC. It is matter of regret, but it is what— (Time expired)