Senator RONALDSON (Victoria—Minister for Veterans' Affairs, Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for the Centenary of ANZAC and Special Minister of State) (14:35): Well, of course it did not relate to it, but I will tell you what does relate to it, and that is what was done in your home state of Victoria, Senator Brown— Opposition senators interjecting— Senator RONALDSON: of Tasmania—where the best— Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order on my left! I have paused the clock. We are all getting a bit tired; it is the last day of the first week. Senator Brown, did you have a point of order? Senator Carol Brown: No. I was claiming that the minister was reflecting on me, because I am not a Victorian—and I don't want to be! The PRESIDENT: Minister, had you concluded your answer? Senator RONALDSON: No. The PRESIDENT: Well, I will call you again, and I will remind you that Tasmania did found Victoria. Senator RONALDSON: Thank you, Mr President, and I also humbly apologise to my relatives from Tasmania, who will be equally appalled at my comments. But perhaps I could return to the BEST funding, Senator Brown, from Tasmania. If you go back and ask the veterans in Tasmania what the outcome was of those dramatically reduced BEST funding arrangements, they will tell you that it has completely decimated the advocacy and welfare services in the state of Tasmania. And if you are really serious about assisting veterans, you will go back and make inquiries about what was done and you will find that what I told you is absolutely right. (Time expired)