Senator RONALDSON (Victoria—Minister for Veterans' Affairs, Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for the Centenary of ANZAC and Special Minister of State) (14:29): I thank the honourable senator for her question. As the honourable senator will appreciate, I am not the responsible minister for handling legal aid, and I have not seen that report— Senator Wong: I presume the vets have written to you. The PRESIDENT: Ignore the interjections, Minister. Senator RONALDSON: Senator Wong, I am trying to answer the question and you, as you always do, just keep constantly interjecting. Opposition senators interjecting— Senator RONALDSON: You plead concern for the veterans, and then you behave like this. I am trying to answer Senator Brown's question. If you let me do so, I will do so rather than constantly— Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: On my left! Order! Senator RONALDSON: I am not aware of these comments. I will go back and have a look at them and see what exactly was said. I do not accept the premise of your question; you will accept that. But I will go back and check it. But this does give me the opportunity to talk about something that did dramatically impact on veterans about three years, and that was the Building Excellence in Support and Training program. This is a program that provides support to veterans right across Australia, and without any— The PRESIDENT: Pause the clock. There is a point of order, I assume. Senator CAROL BROWN: Mr President, a point of order on relevance—and I appreciate the minister saying that he does not know the answer to the question and he does not know whether Ms Needham is correct: but he then continues on and answers his own question. Either he has finished and sits down and lets me ask my next set of questions or he answers the question I asked. The PRESIDENT: Senator Brown, the minister did indicate that he did not agree with the premise of your question and that he would seek further advice. The minister is entitled to continue, but the minister— Senator Kim Carr interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! How I am I supposed to rule on a point of order if I get constant interjections? The minister has 25 seconds left in which to complete his answer if he wishes to. I will be listening to the minister's response. It is hard for me to judge the content of a minister's answer. I can only listen to what the minister says. Senator RONALDSON: As I said before, if we are going to talk about support to veterans and removing support to veterans, I ask the Australian Labor Party—and the senator asked this question—how you could possibly justify removing $1 million without any notice from the advocacy and welfare services provided to Australia's veterans, which actually stops them getting to the stage where they might need to access legal aid. So, this is pure hypocrisy, and you should apologise to the veterans. (Time expired)