Senator CORMANN (Western Australia—Minister for Finance) (14:43): Leaving the political rhetoric in that question to one side, I am here representing the Minister for the Environment. I am not here representing other senators and those who were listed in that question. If Senator Whish-Wilson is genuinely interested in an answer to that question he should ask the respective people themselves about who they have met with— The PRESIDENT: Pause the clock. Senator Whish-Wilson on a point of order. Senator Whish-Wilson: My point of order concerns relevance. Senator Cormann is sinking without a trace on this. I simply asked him whether he could say whether his department or the Department of the Environment has met with any proponents of a future super-trawler. The PRESIDENT: The minister has the call. Senator CORMANN: I would put it to Senator Whish-Wilson that the question he is asking me is a question addressed to the minister with responsibility for the fisheries portfolio, which would be the minister representing the Minister for Agriculture. In an abundance of helpfulness let me just say that I suspect that the minister and the parliamentary secretary with responsibility for fisheries matters would have interaction with relevant stakeholders in the fisheries portfolio.