Senator RONALDSON (Victoria—Minister for Veterans' Affairs, Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for the Centenary of ANZAC and Special Minister of State) (14:11): I thank the honourable senator for his question. The Labor Party is very quick with these issues. It ran about three days ago, but I am happy to take it from the back of the QTB and put up with the hot issues again. I say to the honourable senator that this decision was made on the back of me as minister and the department to make some judgements about what expenditure we are going to put into various areas over the next four years. I think it is a pity that the shadow minister, who was talking about this being a $10 million program, is clearly not across his brief and clearly knows absolutely nothing about this and was actually talking about this in the context of a budget cut. Can I make it absolutely clear to the chamber that the budget for DVA this year is exactly the same as what the budget was in the first year of your— Senator Wong: Mr President, I rise on a point of order going to direct relevance. Minister, there was no mention of the budget. The question goes to an inconsistency between the minister's explanation and the War Memorial's statement—an inconsistency between what the Minister for Veterans' Affairs has said and what the Australian War Memorial has said. I ask you to ask him to return to the question. The PRESIDENT: The question also contained an issue pertaining to a cut in funding, and the minister was addressing that portion of the question and he still has nearly half of his time to answer the question. Senator RONALDSON: I say to the honourable senator that this is a program that has been running for a number of years. We are talking about $800,000 as he indicated as opposed to the $10 million that the shadow minister referred to. But under this agreement, it is a memorandum of understanding signed by the former government. Under that memorandum of understanding, either party can give notice of its intention to— Senator Moore: Mr President, I rise on a point of order going to direct relevance. It is about the issue. The specific question is about the statement from the War Memorial about the timing of the knowledge from the department or the minister. We have now only got 16 seconds left and we have not got to that part of the question. The PRESIDENT: I remind the minister of the question. The minister has the call. Senator RONALDSON: I cannot imagine being any more relevant to the question. In the time that is left available to me now—that memorandum was signed and it was as a result of discussions with the department that we decided—(Time expired)