Senator RONALDSON (Victoria—Minister for Veterans' Affairs, Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for the Centenary of ANZAC and Special Minister of State) (14:04): Thank you, Senator. But if you are going to look through the budget papers, can I suggest that you do not selectively pull out things for political purposes. The Entrepreneurs' Infrastructure Programme is a $484 million program. The Industry Skills Fund, which, of course, will benefit everyone in Tasmania, is part of the government's initiatives. What we are not prepared to do is sit back and watch what happened over the last six years in relation to these plethora of programs that were achieving nothing but costing a lot. You asked me about the copper mines of Tasmania. As you know it—oh, you did not ask me about that; I am terribly sorry! Senator Urquhart: On a point of order, Mr President. The point of order is around relevance. My question was: why is the government cutting vital assistance to small employers in this region? And I would ask that the minister be directed to answer. The PRESIDENT: The minister has 11 seconds left to answer the question. Again, I draw the minister's attention to the question. Senator RONALDSON: There was I thinking that you were asking about job losses at this unfortunate closure of the Mount Lyell mine. But if you were not, that is okay. But what I will say to you is, if you look at those things that are being— (Time expired)