Senator ABETZ (Tasmania—Leader of the Government in the Senate, Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for the Public Service and Minister for Employment) (14:07): If one were to listen to the question from Senator Carr it would appear that Daniel Andrews has succeeded where Bill Shorten has failed. And I will allow him to consider that for some period of time. Let me also make this observation: this deal with the Victorian government—and let me say that is a matter for the Victorian government and for the Victorian people—their contribution now of $22 million I understand, will guarantee the company staying. I just observe that a request had been made for $50 million—$25 million from the federal and $25 billion from the state—but now it appears that $22 million from the state will guarantee everything and keep everything in place. In relation to Cadbury, I am more than happy to indicate to the honourable senator what the fundamental difference is, and I trust that my Tasmanian Labor Senate colleagues listen very carefully to this answer, because— Senator Cameron: It's a marginal seat, that's why! Senator ABETZ: Senator Doug Cameron foolishly interjects that it is a marginal seat— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Abetz, ignore the interjection. Interjections are disorderly. Senator ABETZ: Has anybody ever thought Denison is a marginal seat? Really! How ignorant can one senator be? Really! Let me answer very specifically: Cadbury used to be a major tourism attraction in Tasmania. It stopped the tours because of occupational health and safety issues. In reconfiguring the factory— Senator Kim Carr: That's not what your statement said at the time. You're making it up as you go along! Senator ABETZ: Senator Carr either wants an answer or he doesn't. The PRESIDENT: Order! If you wish to debate the question it will be after 3 o'clock. Senator Cormann: It was on your desk. Penny didn't let you— The PRESIDENT: Order! On my right! If you wish to debate the question, the time is after 3 pm. Senator ABETZ: In reconfiguring the factory for its enhanced export activities, it said it would also include the changes necessary for tourism. Now, that will be of huge benefit to the total tourism experience for Tasmania and that is why we were willing to support it.