Senator BRANDIS (Queensland—Deputy Leader of the Government in the Senate, Vice-President of the Executive Council, Minister for Arts and Attorney-General) (14:12): It is indeed necessary to find economies, as I have said. I overheard an interjection from Senator Doug Cameron that accused the government of penny-pinching. Senator Cameron is a member of a party that did not pinch pennies but pinched thousands and billions of dollars from the Australian economy, so please, Senator Doug Cameron, don't come crying your crocodile tears to us. Senator Moore: Mr President, I raise a point of order about relevance. The specific question was about advice from the government adviser Mr Mundine, so if the minister could return to that it would be useful. The PRESIDENT: Order! The minister still has 37 seconds remaining to address the question. The minister is in order at this stage. Senator BRANDIS: When the coalition government was elected and inherited public debt exceeding $400 billion, it was necessary to find economies across the whole of government. We make no secret about that. The MYEFO will be released on Tuesday, and it will include— Senator Moore: Again, Mr President, I raise a point of order. I have allowed more of the time to go past and yet again the answer has not referred to the question that was asked. The PRESIDENT: Order! The minister has 18 seconds remaining. I draw the minister's attention to the question. Senator BRANDIS: That is why economies are necessary across the whole of government. Insofar as those economies will affect the legal aid dollar, including Indigenous justice, we will structure them so that they do not affect front-line legal services.