Senator CORMANN (Western Australia—Minister for Finance) (14:46): The best policy option is the option that has been supported by the Australian people: to scrap the carbon tax altogether. It is time that the Labor Party got used to the idea that there was an election and that they lost, and that the Australian people voted to scrap the carbon tax. Of course, we know that Senator Louise Pratt, the shadow parliamentary secretary for climate change— Senator Pratt: We know that you support the ETS! The PRESIDENT: Order! That is disorderly! Senator Wong: Rule him out, Mr President! Senator CORMANN: campaigned in Western Australia and promised to terminate the carbon tax. No— The PRESIDENT: Order! That is disorderly! Senator CORMANN: But we do have another proposal by Mr Paul Howes, the National Secretary of the Australian Workers Union. He is the guy who once said that if one job were put at risk by the carbon tax he would oppose it. But, of course, many jobs have been put at risk by the carbon tax and he is not doing anything about it. But this was his latest proposal: instead of supporting our policy to axe the carbon tax he says that we need to axe ma and pa farming. Ma and pa farming! That is what he said. So when businesses struggle under a Labor tax all they want to do is social engineering instead of scrapping the tax, which they promised they would do. (Time expired)