Senator McLUCAS (Queensland) (14:12): Mr President, I ask a further supplementary question. Minister, I note that you did not answer the question about the consultation, so I invite you again to answer: did the minister consult with Dr Washer prior to the decision? Can you also explain why a council that was established in 1966 and has been an adviser to every government since Sir Robert Menzies was Prime Minister has been axed? Is it because the council criticised the Prime Minister?