Senator LUDWIG (Queensland—Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry and Minister Assisting on Queensland Floods Recovery) (14:55): Again, Senator Xenophon does want more information, and of course we do have a committee which has oversight of this area, the PJCIS. They are in what I would call a unique place in this parliament to provide information from these particular agencies. What I am not going to do on behalf of the defence minister is get into an argument about what type of intelligence material is dealt with. As I have said, there is a longstanding policy, and I am not going to go into the detail. What I will say about that policy is not only is it a policy that both this government and successive governments have abided by in not talking about intelligence matters; it does seem to be a tiff between Senator Xenophon and Senator— (Time expired)