Senator JACINTA COLLINS (Victoria—Manager of Government Business in the Senate and Parliamentary Secretary for School Education and Workplace Relations) (10:41): Senator Mason, it is sad to see you attempt to carry out a stunt. You say you do not question the genuineness of the Prime Minister's commitment to education, yet you throw lines out about the government supposedly 'throwing' $16 billion at education. You know better than that. You have asked for more time to deal with this legislation, yet, as I pointed out when we set up the time management motion, this bill has had a lengthy and detailed gestation. You might argue about the limitations on parliamentary time, yet the only person in Senate estimates asking questions about the amendments which were before us at that time was Senator McKenzie. The coalition did not use estimates time to deal with these issues. The amendments may not have been there earlier in the week, Senator Mason, but you had more than adequate time. You did not use estimates time to ask questions related to these measures. I have already made the point about the necessity for time management. We did a calculation of how many bills we would have progressed in the last two sessions without time management. The answer was a dismal 12. That is how much work would occur without time management being utilised to deal with critical and important legislation—and this bill is. Indexation at the moment is 3.9 per cent. Next year it will drop to three per cent. Christopher Pyne might think he can delude people about these facts, but you know better, Senator Mason. You know that the AGSRC this year is 3.9 per cent. You know that. You know it is not six per cent and you know it is not 5.6 per cent; you know it is 3.9. So how can you tell— Senator Williams: On a point of order, Mr Acting Deputy President: I ask you to ask Senator Collins to address her remarks through you as the chair. The ACTING DEPUTY PRESIDENT ( Senator Marshall ): All senators should be aware that all their remarks should be addressed through the chair. Senator JACINTA COLLINS: I am grateful for that reminder, Mr Acting Deputy President, to address my remarks through you—tempted as I am to respond to some of the cheap rhetoric and stunts perpetrated by the other side on the education reform process. Senator Mason normally knows better. That it is encouraged in this environment is astounding. I do not want to waste any more of the Senate's time dealing with a procedural motion like this. I do not want to eat into the hour and a half that has been allowed for this debate so that we can hear some substance from Senator Mason when he makes his speech. I would rather listen to him attempt to justify the cheap rhetoric that comes from Mr Pyne on these issues than waste more Senate time on procedural matters. On that basis, I move: That the question be now put. The PRESIDENT: The question is that the question be now put.