Senator LUDWIG (Queensland—Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry and Minister Assisting on Queensland Floods Recovery) (14:41): I thank Senator Marshall for his second supplementary question. This year the Gillard government is providing over $13.3 billion for Australian public hospitals, and this figure will continue to grow in the future as we continue to invest in hospitals and health reform. The Minister for Health in Victoria, Mr Davis, is not as good with his cuts as the opposition were when they were in government: he has only managed $616 million from his budget. But those opposite cut $1 billion when they were in government. Mr Abbott cut $1 billion—twice as good as Mr Davis, but twice as bad. Senator Fierravanti-Wells: Mr President, I rise on a point of order. The minister is misleading the Senate. He knows very, very well that, according to the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare, the Australian government spending in public hospitals increased— The PRESIDENT: That is not a point of order, Senator. That is a debating point which you are— Senator Fierravanti-Wells interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Fierravanti-Wells, that is a debating point, which you are entitled to take up in 17 minutes time. If you wish to debate the issue, that is it. It is not a point of order. Senator LUDWIG: The truth obviously hurts. Premier Newman in Queensland cut education and cut health. Premier Baillieu in Victoria cut health. What do you think Mr Abbott will do? He has got form. He will also cut from health and hospitals and education. That is what Tony Abbott will do if he should get into government, and you know that very, very well. (Time expired)