Senator CONROY (Victoria—Leader of the Government in the Senate, Minister for Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy and Minister Assisting the Prime Minister on Digital Productivity) (14:21): Those opposite are now desperate to cover for what Mr Abbott said last week when he said that he wants to take 3.6 million low-paid Australians and reduce their benefits, and that is exactly what Mr Abbott has confirmed And you can stand up here and play rule in and rule out, but that is your stated policy. That is your stated policy, and you are not attempting for a second to contradict. The PRESIDENT: Order! It is not time for debating the issue across the chamber. Senator CONROY: Mr Abbott, a man who said he would not change Medicare before an election when he was the Minister for Health, and then in the first budget he made absolute cuts. Then, when he was asked in public—he was asked on the record, on television—did you think about resigning? He said, 'I thought about it for a minute but I decided not to'. So, do not come here and talk about trust. Tony Abbott has a trust deficit. The PRESIDENT: Order! You need to refer to people in the other place— Senator CONROY: Mr Abbott has a trust deficit with the Australian public. A trust deficit, and they know exactly— (Time expired)