The PRESIDENT (14:43): The minister has been going for 25 seconds. The minister has one minute and 35 seconds remaining. I draw the minister's attention to the question. Senator LUDWIG: As I was saying, pharmacists have been charging the government 20 to 75 per cent above the market price. These inflated prices have meant that the government has paid, in some instances, $2,800 above the market price of this drug. There has been no change to the budget. I am aware that some private hospitals and pharmacists are concerned that the docetaxel price reduction may impact on the viability of providing chemotherapy drugs in some pharmacy settings. Price disclosure for chemotherapy drugs is not new. It has been in place since 2007, and pharmacies have been aware of the likelihood of price reductions for these drugs for several years. It was the now opposition that put the scheme in place in 2007. It is important, though, to recognise that the PBS pays for the cost of the medicine and that the clinical services pharmacists provide in this sector are supported through the funding arrangements with the hospitals. So there are two parts to this: one is the PBS and the other is the funding that is provided with arrangements with the hospitals. Therefore, as this relates to pharmacy-dispensing remuneration, having encouraged the use of— Senator Xenophon: Mr President, I rise on a point of order on relevance. I asked the minister specifically whether he considers that a number of peak groups including the voice of cancer sufferers in this country are wrong in their concerns. Does he consider that they are wrong in their concerns or not? Senator Chris Evans: Mr President, on the point of order: I think that Senator Xenophon may well want to be more dramatic, but the fact is— Senator Boyce interjecting— Senator Chris Evans: I know that people are very keen to join in on this issue, but I think that the minister is attempting to lay out in response the facts about what has occurred and what that means for patients. He is not focusing on what people may have claimed; he is trying to explain to the Senate on behalf of the government— Senator Ian Macdonald: But he is supposed to answer the question, not talk about what he wants to talk about! Senator Chris Evans: Senator Macdonald, why don't you have a Bex and a good lie down? All right? Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! The minister has 15 seconds remaining to address the question. The minister is answering the question; the minister has 15 seconds remaining. Senator LUDWIG: What has been missed is that there is an Efficient Funding of Chemotherapy measure in place. In December 2011 it was put in place in consultation with the Pharmacy Guild. The government introduced the Efficient Funding of Chemotherapy measure to improve— (Time expired)