Senator LUDWIG (Queensland—Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry and Minister Assisting on Queensland Floods Recovery) (14:37): I thank Senator Birmingham for his second supplementary question—for his helpful comment. Senator Abetz: Wishful thinking—you don't even know which sup it is! Senator LUDWIG: Thank you very much. It is clear when you look at the coalition themselves that the carbon price did not have the impact that they suggested. Senator Barnaby Joyce I think continues to support the proposition that a lamb roast will cost $100 due to the carbon price. On Meet the Press, on Channel Ten, he reiterated again that promise that that would be the outcome for lamb. It is not— Senator Birmingham: Mr President, I raise a point of order. The question went very particularly to the government's position about a second commitment period under Kyoto, as did the supplementary question. We have got through all two minutes of the first answer and 53 seconds of the answer to the supplementary, and not once has the minister actually mentioned the Kyoto Protocol or the second commitment period. I urge you, Mr President, to ask the minister to be directly relevant to the question. The PRESIDENT: Order! The minister needs to address the question that has been asked by Senator Birmingham. Senator LUDWIG: Thank you, Mr President. As we know, on 9 November 2012, the minister— (Time expired)