Senator BOB CARR (New South Wales—Minister for Foreign Affairs) (14:49): The answer is yes. I have in my hands all the translations of the relevant documents. The documents were translated, among others, by Russell D. Mayer, a notary at Jerusalem Malcha Technology Park, who serves in the Israeli defence forces part-time. Senator Abetz: Who provided the renewal? Senator BOB CARR: He has provided them. Here is his affidavit. The affidavit is detailed and I am quite happy to see it picked through in great detail. The House might wonder why the opposition keeps barking up this tree. The allegations about this body, that provides seedlings to aboriginal workers— Senator Kroger: Can you talk to us over here? We cannot hear. Senator BOB CARR: It is very appropriate that the interjection comes from Senator Kroger—underline the name. These allegations first surfaced from the body Shurat HaDin in February this year. They came in questions raised by Senator Kroger. She persisted: 'Shurat HaDin said this,' 'Shurat HaDin said that,' on and on. Senator Ian Macdonald: Mr President, I rise on a point of order. Sometimes people say that you appear to lack authority. In the other chamber, someone was accused of being discourteous by turning their back to Ms Roxon, I think it was. This speaker continuously turns his back to you, Mr President, and it undermines your authority. I would ask you to direct him to address the chair and to address his remarks through you, as every other senator is required to do. The PRESIDENT: There is absolutely no point of order. The minister has 34 seconds remaining. I do draw the minister's attention to the fact that he needs to face the microphone for the microphone to pick his voice up. Senator BOB CARR: The questions kept coming from Senator Kroger about Shurat Hadin and its allegations. We did check the details about the two Australian interns who, in February, started work at Shurat HaDin. It is nice that boys never forget their mum, and when they go overseas— Senator Abetz: Mr President, I rise a point of order. There is a requirement that answers be directly relevant. Trying to drag senators' children into it is not exactly being directly relevant, let alone it being extremely untidy. But, apart from that, the question was very specific: who provided the registration renewal to the government? We have since had affidavits and a translation provided to the committee but not the answer as to who initially provided the registration renewal to the government. That is the only information that is being sought, not family histories. The PRESIDENT: There is no point of order at this stage. I am listening closely to the answer. Minister, you have 12 seconds to address the question. Senator BOB CARR: What were the names of the two Australian lawyers who turned up as interns at the body making these allegations? Mr J Kroger and Mr S Kroger. After their arrival, the questions started flowing. This is a cynical Victorian Liberal Party— (Time expired) Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order on both sides!