Senator KIM CARR (Victoria—Minister for Human Services) (14:51): Mr President, I can now repeat, I think for the fifth time, that no school will lose money under our plans, that in fact funding for every school—government, independent, Catholic—will continue to rise under our plan for school improvement. Any figures that Senator Mason is quoting from the weekend's press are figures that are not those of the government. The assumptions made in those figures do not bear any resemblance to any government policy, and schools should in no way take those— Senator Mason: Mr President, I asked a very specific question. The PRESIDENT: Is this a point of order? Senator Mason: Mr President, I asked a very specific question—now twice. And that is whether funding will be cut— The PRESIDENT: Is this a point of order? Senator Mason: Yes, it is—going to relevance. I have asked directly whether in fact there will be any cuts in real terms to school funding. It was a specific and direct question. The PRESIDENT: The minister is answering the question, and I will ask the minister to continue. I will listen to the minister's answer. Senator KIM CARR: Can I indicate to Senator Mason that the statements that I have made repeatedly are that no school will lose money. That is what the minister has said; that is what the Prime Minister has said. With regard to indexation we have said that indexation will be a feature of the new school funding system.