Senator ARBIB (New South Wales—Assistant Treasurer, Minister for Small Business, Minister for Sport and Manager of Government Business in the Senate) (14:56): If the National Party and the Liberal Party want to do something for small business, then they should vote to give them a tax cut. It is amazing that the modern Liberal Party are opposing tax cuts for small business. Peter Costello would be absolutely ashamed of the modern Liberal Party and National Party. They have walked away from giving a tax cut to small business. Senator Joyce: Mr President, a point of order on relevance: we have asked how much of the $9 billion in industry assistance allocated under its clean energy package will go to small businesses. That is very specific and can we get a specific answer? The PRESIDENT: I draw the attention of the minister to the question. The minister now has 38 seconds remaining. The minister should address the question.