Senator CHRIS EVANS (Western Australia—Minister for Tertiary Education, Skills, Science and Research and Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:03): I make the obvious point that the Liberal Party have no interest in policy debate. They have nothing to contribute to public policy debate in this country. It is the role of the state secretary in New South Wales, Mr Dastyari— Senator Brandis: How do you pronounce that? Senator CHRIS EVANS: I am not sure, actually! That is why I will refer to him as the New South Wales state secretary in future. He is not faceless because I can recognise him. He has the job of coordinating the selection process in the New South Wales branch, just as the Liberal Party officials do. I run into the national director of the Liberal Party every Tuesday when the party room meetings are on. I do not know why he is always in the building. I always bump into him on the way to our caucus meeting. The Prime Minister will decide the ministry and the New South Wales party will nominate a replacement, and I am sure it will be a quality replacement for Senator Arbib.