Senator CARR (Victoria—Minister for Manufacturing and Minister for Defence Materiel) (14:42): Senator Fisher, you should have sent that question back. I know how hard it is to re-establish your position in this parliament, but you ought to send that sort of rubbish back. You ought to send it back— Senator Brandis: Mr President, a point of order on relevance: as you are aware, the minister is required to be directly relevant: That requirement applies to the whole of the answer, not just parts of it. Nothing the minister has said so far has been anything other than abuse of Senator Fisher. You ought to have pulled him up before now. Nothing he has said has been within the standing order. Senator Chris Evans: Mr President, on the point of order: Senator Fisher's second supplementary question could, I suspect, have been ruled out of order because she moved to a different subject matter, but Senator Carr, being the obliging chap he is, is attempting to give her an answer and respond to that question. He is very much on the question and I suggest to you that there is no point of order. The PRESIDENT: Senator Carr, you have 43 seconds remaining. I draw your attention to the question. Senator CARR: Perhaps I should reiterate. The government's position is that we want to provide opportunities for truck drivers to be paid reasonable rates so that they can get on with doing their jobs, and to get rid of any economic incentives for them to take unacceptable risks that endanger not just their lives but also other people's lives. It is unacceptable for this parliament to ignore its own responsibilities in this regard, and the government is taking steps to improve road safety. You would have thought those opposite would applaud us rather than seek to undermine what is an appropriate and, I think, long overdue reform.