Senator WONG (South Australia—Minister for Finance and Deregulation) (14:56): It is a little difficult to know how to answer this because I believe— Senator Abetz: You don't know. Senator WONG: It is so clear that they want to fight. They are not interested in my response. Opposition senators interjecting— Senator WONG: I am trying to be helpful today, as I always am, but particularly helpful today—extra helpful. I think the senator is asking me to make an assertion about how the program will be rolled out in practice. My advice is that the program can be used to fund capital to reduce or even eliminate the liability, such as technology to capture and use methane for boilers or as a source of electricity. The government has also provided the Energy Efficiency Information Grants Program to help industry peak bodies such as those in the meat industry. (Time expired)