Senator WONG (South Australia—Minister for Finance and Deregulation) (14:14): Mr President, first I am not sure if I should take the question, because the question was to the minister for climate change. I have not been the minister for climate change for quite some time. Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Both sides, I am waiting for silence. Senator WONG: It is the case that Australia's emissions with a carbon price will fall from what they otherwise would have been. The opposition like to pretend that that is not the measure—I am always interested in the opposition's metrics because their position is that we should pretend, that there is this sort of 'Abbott world' in which there will be no change to Australia's emissions despite economic growth and population growth between now and 2020. It must be the same Abbott world where you can keep spending money without having to account for it. The PRESIDENT: Senator, if you are referring to a person in the other place, you should refer to them by their correct title. Senator WONG: You are quite right, Mr President—the Mr Abbott world in which you can keep spending money on program after program, matching spending promises, while you campaign to abolish the revenue sources for those spending promises. It is a very interesting world where emissions do not grow, despite the fact that the economy grows, and you can spend as much money as you want and campaign against the taxes which fund that spending. Senator Joyce: Mr President, I rise on a point of order as to relevance. The question was quite clearly put to find out whether what was said last night on The 7.30 Report was the truth or not the truth. We are waiting for the answer. It might have been a mistake but you have not answered the question, just like every other question. The PRESIDENT: There is no point of order, Senator Joyce. The minister has 37 seconds remaining. Senator WONG: In terms of The 7.30 Report interview, I understand Mr Combet did go on to explain the nature of international linking and said that the point behind international linking is to reduce the cost on Australian business. That is why you enable international linking. This is another part of the Mr Abbott planet where you impose more cost on Australian business—this is a Liberal position. (Time expired)