Senator WONG (South Australia—Minister for Finance and Deregulation) (14:44): Isn't it amazing? After all the froth and bubble and all the fire and brimstone about the Qantas dispute, we now return to the carbon price. They do not want to ask about interest rates, they do not want to ask about the economy, they do not want to ask about the budget and they do not want to ask about the disputes, the lockouts, that they refused to criticise. Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Macdonald, I see you are on your feet. I am not giving anyone the call until there is silence; it is as simple as that. Senator Ian Macdonald: Mr President, I raise a point of order on the grounds of relevancy. This minister is legend at never even attempting to answer the question, because obviously she cannot. There was a very clear question. She has been in this answer for almost 30 seconds and has not got anywhere near the question that was asked. I ask you to bring her to order and to answer the question for once in her life. The PRESIDENT: There is no point of order. I cannot tell the minister how to answer the question. The minister has one minute and 35 seconds in which to answer the question. Senator WONG: I am very happy to talk about Qantas, the aviation sector and the carbon price. I simply make the point that the opposition are seguing off this. Clearly they want to get back to carbon, because they have suddenly worked out that people might ask what they knew about the lockouts. The PRESIDENT: Senator Wong, you need to come to the question. Senator WONG: Australian families and workers may ask what they knew about the lockout— Senator Conroy: The Qantas lockout. Senator WONG: The Qantas lockout, I should say; there has only been one lockout. What I would say is that, in relation to the aviation sector, the first point is this: Qantas and other airlines will not face any carbon price on their international operations. I would have thought Senator Birmingham would know that. They will face a carbon price on their domestic operations. I am advised this will have a very moderate impact on ticket prices. Unlike the Leader of the Opposition, who will charge taxpayers some $1,300 a year, which will be given to big polluters, we on this side will put forward tax cuts—tax cuts for Australians and increases to the pension, increases to the disability support pension. That is what we will do. I would also add—and I will add to this in my next answer—that Qantas and the other airlines approached the government and asked if they could be covered by the carbon price mechanism for their domestic operations rather than manage their carbon liabilities through the fuel tax system. (Time expired)