Senator CARR (Victoria—Minister for Innovation, Industry, Science and Research) (14:00): I thank Senator Colbeck for his question. I do stand by my remarks. I believe that— Senator Abetz: Yes, the facts never get in the way. Senator CARR: the fact of the matter, Senator Abetz—the fact of the matter—is that there has been some misleading analysis undertaken by a group of companies that are campaigning against the carbon price. I go to a lot of industry association dinners and to functions— Senator Fierravanti-Wells: Yes, you look like you do. Senator CARR: and to processes—oh, I see— The PRESIDENT: Senator Carr, ignore the interjections. They are disorderly. Just address the chair. Senator CARR: I do not have your girlish figure; that is true, Senator. But, Senator, whenever I go to these functions I may well note the official statements that people make but then I speak to individual companies. Individual companies are telling me repeatedly that, while conditions are tough, while circumstances are difficult, the opportunities for new investment are very substantial. Just today I have had people come to my office pointing out that there are many billions of dollars in new investment coming forward irrespective of the changes we are making in regard to climate change and that the companies are very anxious to take advantage of the $20 billion in assistance that the government is providing, in terms of co-investment, which will lead to a very substantive transformation of manufacturing in this country. So I do stand by the statements that I have made. I stand by the fact that we have world-class research facilities in this country; that science and research is providing an enormous opportunity to reinvent companies in this country to develop new products, new industrial processes and new markets. That is the future for manufacturing in this country—an innovative future, a prosperous future for Australian manufacturers.