Senator CHRIS EVANS (Western Australia—Minister for Tertiary Education, Skills, Jobs and Workplace Relations and Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:00): I thank Senator Ryan for that question. I think I read this in the papers about three weeks ago, and I, like you, was intrigued. I thought: why wasn't I told? Why didn't I receive these instructions? I actually had to work out what the unit's initials stood for as well. I saw those reports and I cannot confirm them. I certainly did not receive any such— Senator Ryan: Can you deny them? Senator CHRIS EVANS: I have not been able to confirm that. I know I did not receive them. Can I just say that we do need a spy unit on certain shadow ministers. I could not work out who my opposition was on vocational education and training affairs, because I have never heard from them or seen a press release from them. Vocational education and training seems to be of no interest to you. Although I know Senator Mason represents on university education; he is very active. I have sent my spies out; they are on the trail. They were trying to work out who the shadow minister was for training and vocational education, because we wanted to brief them on a bill. So I sent out a secret team of advisers from my office to work out who the shadow spokesperson is. If you can help me at all, Senator Ryan, with that matter, I would very much appreciate it.