Mr CONROY (Shortland—Minister for Pacific Island Affairs and Minister for Defence Industry) (14:37): I'll start the question, but, as it was directed to a question about energy, I think it would be more appropriately answered by the minister for energy. We have been very clear that the energy sector is going through a transition as ageing coal-fired power stations close down. Unlike those opposite, we've got plans in place to drive investment into the sector. When they were in government, gigawatts of capacity closed down without a suitable replacement. And who suffered the most? Heavy industry in this country. That uncertainty drove power prices, as they had 23 different energy prices that placed Australian manufacturing under huge pressure. We're combating that right now with our Future Made in Australia agenda, which is driving investment into manufacturing because we're focused on it. Unlike those opposite, who cheered manufacturing going offshore, including the automotive industry, we're focused on cheap energy to drive manufacturing. Mr Hogan: I have a point of order on relevance. That was a very tight question. There was no preamble in the question, and I ask you to direct the minister back. The SPEAKER: The member is entitled to raise a point of order on relevance, as any other member is. He's allowed to do that. The Leader of the House, on the point of order. Mr Burke: The question was sufficiently tight that it was directed to the wrong minister. The minister representing is giving some general remarks, as is appropriate, but has indicated that a question about energy would ordinarily—when you're working out where a question about energy might go, the energy minister is usually the option. Mr Husic interjecting— The SPEAKER: Order! The member for Chifley is warned. I'm just going to do this respectfully so that everyone is entitled to raise their points of order. On the point of order by the Leader of the House, the member for Page. Mr Hogan: I go back to the point of relevance. We can go into the semantics, but the minister chose to take the question. The minister chose to take the question, so I ask him to be relevant. There was no preamble. It was a very tight question. If he's going to take it, answer it. The SPEAKER: I guess the issue is that, when we are asking questions to ministers, it needs to be directed to the person who has responsibility for that. Opposition members interjecting— The SPEAKER: Order! The question was about a specific number, which the member for Flynn is chasing or seeking, to do with the policy. The minister can conclude shortly, and so, if the other minister wishes to address the actual figure that I think the member for Flynn is after, we'll do it that way. But it will assist the House if questions can be directed to the minister responsible, and then no-one will be in this position—including me. Minister, if you can wrap up, we'll then give the energy minister a go. Mr CONROY: I'll conclude by saying we're providing more certainty to workers than those on the opposite side ever did. I invite Mr Bowen to speak.