Mr HOGAN (Page—Deputy Manager of Opposition Business) (15:11): I thank the member opposite for the compliment that, 'This will be good.' I want to read a quote to you from Sydney's Northern Beaches Advocate on 7 July 2020. The article is on a proposal for eight wind turbines and a one-hectare solar farm at North Head in Sydney. The proposal was made by a group called the Global Warming Solution. They're self-described as 'a community platform made up of people determined to do something about climate change'. In response to an inquiry from the Northern Beaches Advocate, the member for Warringah, Zali Steggall, said this: I would be doubtful that a sensitive environmental and culturally significant area like North Head is the appropriate location. That says everything about sanctimony corner over there with the teals and the Greens, and the sanctimony line down there of inner-city MPs. We can imagine, can't we, North Head with eight turbines on the hill there, and how much that culturally would upset sailing around Sydney Harbour, how much it would upset having a double macchiato at Sydney Bower there. We've just destroyed culturally everything that happens in Sydney. We understand how much environmental damage one hectare—not a big space—would do. I don't have a problem so much that the member for Warringah and other inner-city Labor MPs and Greens have said things like that about projects in the city, but what gets me is the absolute hypocrisy of, 'Don't do it in my patch, but go hell for leather in regional and remote Australia.' That's what they're saying here. It gets worse, though, because when the member for Warringah was talking about this, she was asked about proposals that were going on in Port Stephens, which is obviously up the coast a bit, and proposals in the Illawarra. You know what she said about members on this side who voiced cultural and environmental concerns about those projects? She said, 'They are scaremongering and spreading disinformation.' There is the hypocrisy of this. We can't do wind turbines and a hectare of solar panels on North Head. Just to put this into perspective, with Labor's reckless renewable-only policy, do you know how many solar panels have to be built around Australia by 2030? Sixty million—not a hectare. You know how many wind turbines are needed to get to that policy? Not the eight that they were looking at on North Head, but tens of thousands. Of course, if you listen to the hypocrisy of sanctimony corner, that's okay because they can all be built in rural and regional Australia, where obviously there are no cultural or environmental issues to deal with. Let's go through some of the issues that people where I live and where a lot of my colleagues live are concerned about—the tens of millions of solar panels that need to be built and the tens of thousands of wind turbines that need to be built. We do not believe that this is scaremongering and misinformation. This is about habitat loss and fragmentation. This is about disruption of bird migration. This is about ecosystem disruption. This is about soil erosion. Mr Repacholi: Do you really care about that? Mr HOGAN: We don't care about it, do we, the member for Hunter? Well, good on you. You're saying that people in the country, farmers, don't care about this? Is that what you're saying? The DEPUTY SPEAKER ( Ms Claydon ): Order! I need you to direct your comments through the chair. I will not have the personal attacks going on, okay? You can bring your remarks through me and dial it down a little bit. And no interjections from the member for Hunter. Mr HOGAN: I will dim it down and direct it through you, Deputy Speaker. For the member for Hunter to say to me, to us and to people in rural and remote communities, 'When have you ever cared about the environment?' is an absolute insult to every country person. In fact, it's an insult to his own electorate. The member for Hunter has just insulted his own electorate, because he lives in regional Australia, and he said, 'When do his members ever care about the environment?' We'll let the member for Hunter's electorate know that he just said that. Not only that, but we have a lot of environmental issues. We have a lot of issues about both the environment and culture. There are also massive concerns that we have about the waste disposal of these things. The DEPUTY SPEAKER: I'm going to have to pull you up again. I'm struggling to hear you. Mr HOGAN: I'm struggling to hear myself too. The DEPUTY SPEAKER: Yes. Trust me, colleagues who think they're being helpful to the member for Page: you're not being helpful. Mr Repacholi interjecting— The DEPUTY SPEAKER: Member for Hunter, do not encourage this. I'd like to hear the member for Page. Mr HOGAN: I think what I'm saying is quite interesting, so I wish I could hear myself. The other major issue with this that no-one has answers to—and, obviously, you don't hear the Greens talking about this, you don't hear the teal party talking about this, and you don't hear inner-city Labor MPs talking about this—is the massive disposal issue that we're going to have with wind turbines and solar panels. Of course, it doesn't matter, because they're not going to be disposed in the cities. There are a lot of environmental issues to consider there. I want to give out some figures—and I'm sure some of my colleagues will give other examples of this—and some examples of one project in the Central West of New South Wales. Families were offered $5,000 to compensate for visual impacts. Of the submissions from local people received during an environmental impact statement, 96 per cent objected to the project. Insurance prices have doubled because insurance companies are now saying, 'With renewable projects next to your property, it has increased risk.' The department themselves acknowledged that the construction of transmission lines would result in impacts to diversity. This particular project is dominated by agricultural land use. The project requires the permanent acquisition of 30 parcels of land for infrastructure. The people who objected raised concerns about impacts to landscape, visual amenity, agricultural land, socioeconomic factors and biodiversity. These issues are real; they are real for our communities and communities of people in rural and regional Australia. Again, with the member for Warringah, the Greens MPs and the inner-city Labor MPs, we are just scaremongering. It's just not acceptable to our communities. I don't know if you remember the movie The Hunger Games. In The Hunger Games there was the Capitol. Who lives in the Capitol? The teals live in the Capitol. The Greens MPs live in the Capitol. A lot of Labor MPs live in the Capitol with President Snow. But what do the sectors do? Sectors 8, 9 and 10 were ag. Sectors 8, 9 and 10 fed the Capitol. Sector 5—there are a lot of sector 5 people here—had the coal mines and the mining; they powered the Capitol. Don't be sector 12—they bombed sector 12. The member for Fairfax would like this: sector 13 was the nuclear sector. At least President Snow was aware of the need for nuclear. I see this so much in a lot of legislation that I talk about now. There was the Murray-Darling Basin plan, which affected a lot of communities, and the live export ban. The Prime Minister thought it was a great joke last night to insult every sheep farmer in Australia about live exports, saying live exports were a terrible thing. Again, lots of legislation in this chamber is about elite city MPs—the Teals, the Greens and the inner-city Labor MPs—just saying: 'We know what's best for you to do in the rural, regional and remote communities. We'll tell you what you can do, we'll tell you what you can't do and we'll tell you how you do it.' I can tell you that this issue, along with a lot of others, as I just mentioned—whether it be water issues, live export, agriculture issues or a lot of other things—has my community outraged. There was an uprising in The Hunger Games, and they marched on the capital. They will come and protest. The first one will be the protest to keep the sheep. Our communities have had enough of being told what to do and what they can't do.