Mr BUTLER (Hindmarsh—Minister for Health and Aged Care and Deputy Leader of the House) (09:16): The government will not be supporting this motion. Honourable members: Shame! Mr BUTLER: Let me say a few points about why that is. I'm going to go short, as I've said to the leader, because I know the member for Kennedy, who feels passionately about these issues, wants to contribute to this debate as well. First of all, let me say that it should be recognised that every single person across this parliament is committed to fighting abuse of children—every single person across this parliament. Opposition members interjecting— Mr Dutton: Why not support the royal commission then? Mr BUTLER: We heard you in silence about an important issue. This is an important issue, and coming in without any notice and seeking a political stunt with a suspension motion about something that is as important and as sensitive as this sends a pretty clear signal about what this is about. This is about trying to create a political point against the government. Opposition members interjecting— Mr BUTLER: That's the opposition's right—that is how this building works—but let's not be too holier-than-thou about this if you want a genuine debate about child sex abuse. There is no person in this parliament who is not committed to fighting this. The Leader of the Nationals, to his credit, talked about the importance of practical action. I'm not quite sure how you square that with yet another inquiry. I'll tell you a bit about practical action. In the May budget the Minister for Social Services committed more than $500 million to practical action to fight the abuse of women and children, including more than $250 million particularly directed at the abuse of women and children in First Nations communities. That is practical action. Honourable members interjecting— The SPEAKER: Order! Members on my right and members on my left, there's far too much noise in this debate. Members are interjecting who are not in their seats, which is highly disorderly. I will ask the Deputy Leader of the House to continue. Mr BUTLER: We recognise that the temperature after the weekend is high. The Leader of the Nationals spent quite a bit of time talking to this. A lot of people were hurt through this campaign. As the minister for health, I can tell you that, as we monitor the rate of calls to hotlines used by First Nations communities, across the debate this has been a cause of very high levels of distress. From people who led the debate to people at a grassroots— Opposition members interjecting— Mr BUTLER: I'm not quite sure why people are interjecting about this. There's a serious point that I'm trying to make. It is that people across the political spectrum were hurt and had distress caused to them through this. I don't think it's of any use after a period of such high temperature and such significant distress, particularly across the First Nations community across Australia, to start trying to rank the levels of distress. Mr Pike: No more delays! Get on with it then! The SPEAKER: The member for Bowman. Mr BUTLER: This is extraordinary, really quite extraordinary. We're trying to have a debate that takes the temperature out of the result on Saturday, that gives time for the dust to settle, that listens to Indigenous communities about the way forward in reconciliation and Closing the Gap. We've made very clear, as have almost all Indigenous leaders, that the vote on Saturday night—as I think we all accept across this parliament—was not a vote against closing the gap in any of the key indicators, whether they are health or housing or the abuse of women and children. Frankly, I think we are all, across the parliament and across the Australian community, much better educated about the detail of that gap after the debate over the last few months and reaffirmed— Mr Dutton: You have divided the country! The SPEAKER: Order! The Leader of the Opposition will cease interjecting. Mr BUTLER: We've got angry interjections. I can tell you in health—and, as a former health minister, he should know—that the level of detailed understand in metropolitan communities about, for example, rheumatic heart disease, which was largely eradicated in city communities in the sixties and seventies, has increased dramatically over the last few months. Regardless of what you think about the result on Saturday night, that is a good thing. We are all committed to finding a new way forward to deal with those challenges that I think are much better understood after the campaign that we had. I'll go to the question of the audit that is also contained in the motion. The audit office— Mrs Marino: Don't worry about the kids! The SPEAKER: The member for Forrest! Mr BUTLER: Some of the interjections that we don't worry about the kids—seriously! I don't know who said that. You can have a different approach on motions like this without accusations thrown across the parliament that we don't care about kids. The Leader of the Nationals talked about practical action. We're taking practical action. We're taking practical action in Central Australia through the Central Australia plan. We're taking action across Australia through a much larger commitment to preventing violence against women and children delivered by this minister in the 2023-24 budget. I'm happy to have a debate about the pros and cons of this motion, but what I'm not willing to do is take cheap shots about this chamber, about who does and does not care about child abuse! Honourable members interjecting— The SPEAKER: Order! There will be silence in the chamber.