Mr FLETCHER (Bradfield—Manager of Opposition Business) (14:23): I move: That the Speaker's ruling be dissented from under standing order 87. The SPEAKER: I'll hear from the Leader of the House who's seeking the call. Mr Burke: I'm raising a point of order concerning what's just happened. You can't move dissent when no ruling has been made. When a point of order is raised, sometimes in response to a point of order a speaker will make a ruling. Sometimes in response to a point of order a speaker will give guidance to the House or to the person who is speaking or will simply indicate what will happen next. On the occasions when a speaker gives a ruling then dissent can be moved. But it is pretty hard to move dissent in a ruling when a ruling hasn't been made. Government members interjecting— The SPEAKER: Order, members on my right. Ms Rishworth interjecting— The SPEAKER: The Minister for Social Services will cease interjecting. Ms Rishworth interjecting— The SPEAKER: The Minister for Social Services! The Minister for Social Services is warned. Yes, the Manager of Opposition Business, I'll give you the call. Mr Fletcher: Speaker, the situation could not be clearer. I asked you for a ruling as to whether the minister was in order. You responded: the minister was in order. I then proceeded to move dissent in your ruling, as is specifically authorised under standing order 87. The SPEAKER: Is it in writing? Honourable members interjecting— The SPEAKER: Order. Order. Well, so everyone is clear: I was in mid-sentence and I got out that the minister was in order, but I wasn't allowed to finish my sentence before the manager sought the call. Honourable members interjecting— The SPEAKER: Well, that's what happened. The Leader of the House. Mr Burke: Mr Speaker, it is now the case—and I don't know whether you've decided that that was a ruling or was guidance, but, in any event, what has now happened is: even if that was properly moved, he's now sat down without giving a speech and without providing it in writing. So there is— Honour able members interjecting— The SPEAKER: Order. Order. Mr Burke: After you move something, once you resume your seat, the speech is over. That's how it works. This is not new. Honourable members interjecting— The SPEAKER: Order! Dr Chalmers int erjecting— The SPEAKER: Order. The Treasurer will cease interjecting. Government members interjecting— The SPEAKER: Members on my right. The House will come to order. Mr Husic interjecting— The SPEAKER: The minister for industry will cease interjecting so I can hear from the Manager of Opposition Business. Mr Fletcher: I'll just remind the House of the wording of standing order 87: If a Member dissents from a ruling of the Speaker, the objection or dissent must be declared at once. Done. A Member moving a motion of dissent must submit the motion in writing. Done. If the motion is seconded, the Speaker shall then propose the question to the House, and debate may proceed immediately. Honourable members interjecting— The SPEAKER : Order. Order! Mr Dutton interjecting— The SPEAKER: Order, the Leader of the Opposition. I want the House to come to order so we can deal with this matter. The opposition is entitled to move a dissent. I understand that and I respect their decision to do so. So I give the call to the Manager of Opposition Business.