Mr HAWKE (Mitchell) (15:56): There is a dangerous naivety that pervades a lot of the Labor Party in relation to national security. This dangerous naivety manifested in recent weeks and months in this matter. I will give an example. The member for Sydney exclaimed loudly that, in relation to ISIS brides returning to Australia, these are women and children, as if somehow women couldn't be subject to extremist ideology the same as men could be, as if this wasn't a deeply complex matter. As the Minister for Home Affairs said, the radicalisation of Westerners who fled to the Middle East to support the ISIS regime knowingly supported the deaths of tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands of people—our citizens. I thank the shadow minister for bringing this matter to the attention of the House. Rather than what the government here is saying about this being a political point, we fundamentally do not agree with this because the government has not answered questions. Ms O'Neil: But you did it. You did it yourself, Alex, three years ago. Your mate Scott Morrison did it. Mr HAWKE: I will get to that in a moment, Minister. Trust me, I will get to that in a moment. What we don't agree with is of course what this government has done in bringing back the brides of ISIS fighters, women who did voluntarily leave our country to support an ISIS regime that we know threw homosexual people off buildings, that we know subjected Yazidi women to repeated months of slavery followed by death, and pushed young boys into mass graves. So when we hear members of the talking about the conditions of people and camps because of the ISIS regime we must not forget the Westerners left their country, their free country that respects human rights, to support this regime that created this problem in the first place. The minister has not said to the Australian people what charges will be laid against people who left our country to support this regime. What advice has she received on the culpability of the adult women who left Australia to support their husbands in these practices? This is not just about the children, Minister, as you well know. If we're talking about children and what governments supported children, let's talk about 2019 because it has been raised several times. But it is an inconvenient truth what the minister said to the House, very inconvenient. In 2019 the Morrison government repatriated eight orphans from the Middle East. Ms O'Neil: One of them was an orphan; you got your facts wrong. Mr HAWKE: No, one of them was not an adult, Minister. Again, you are wrong and you are misleading the House. One of them was a pregnant teenager; that was the other one. The rest of them were orphans. You have repatriated for the first time, and this is the difference that you haven't been upfront about, people who left Australia to support the ISIS regime. That is a quantitative difference. It is a serious national security matter. It needs to be addressed in front of the communities of Western Sydney and Melbourne, and you have not done so. For the first time today, you've come to this House to give some comprehensive answers. The DEPUTY SPEAKER ( Ms Claydon ): You might wish to address your remarks through the chair. Mr HAWKE: I agree, Deputy Speaker, thank you. I do support the fact that you've come into this House and given some answers for the first time, but you've been forced to do so. The DEPUTY SPEAKER: Well, 'you' is me, okay? Mr HAWKE: I'm actually not saying 'you', as in— The DEPUTY S PEAKER: No, I am just pulling you up. Mr HAWKE: I understand your ruling, Madam Chair. I'm not saying 'you'. The DEPUTY SPEAKER: When you say 'you', you are talking to me. Mr HAWKE: I apologise. The DEPUTY SPEAKER: If you want to refer to the minister, use her correct title. Mr HAWKE: The minister— The DEPUTY SPEAKER: Otherwise, it's through me. Mr HAWKE: I shall. Let me complete and I will. The DEPUTY SPEAKER: Excuse me! Am I chairing this parliament? Mr HAWKE: Do you want me to answer or— Honourable members interjecting— The DEPUTY SPEAKER: Are you serious? I asked you a serious question. You were deliberately ignoring, at the very least, my comments. I'm asking you to direct your comments through me as the chair. When you refer to the minister, use her title. When you say the word 'you', it is as though you are talking to me. That's my ruling, and you have chosen to wilfully ignore it. I'm asking you not to, or I will ask you to leave the chamber. Mr HAWKE: Of course, Madam Deputy Speaker. I'll do whatever you say. The minister, of course, has been forced into this House and, for the first time, has had to answer. I understand why members opposite are touchy about this issue, but it is not the opposition that is raising this issue. It is mayors in Western Sydney, it is members of the Australian Assyrian community, it is members of the Australian Yazidi community, and it is the tens of thousands of refugees that we, the Morrison government, took in from the Middle East as the victims of ISIS regime. When will the minister come to this House and tell Australians what charges will be laid against people who left this country to support ISIS? When will the minister come in and give the actual details about what arrangements will be in place to protect Australians and our children and our safety? (Time expired)