Mr GILES (Scullin—Minister for Immigration, Citizenship and Multicultural Affairs) (15:00): I thank the member for Clark for his question and for the sincere concern which lies behind it—indeed, his longstanding advocacy on behalf of refugees and asylum seekers. I acknowledge that he and many members of the crossbench have raised these issues with me in respect of this very significant commitment. I'm very proud to be a member of a government that recognises that we can be resolute in maintaining strong and secure borders whilst not abandoning our humanity. That is fundamentally important. It is who we are as a people, regardless of what members opposite might say and regardless of their record of cruelty and neglect. I'm also proud to be a member of a government that keeps its promises, unlike members opposite. This government made a commitment, that the member for Clark recognises, to transition people who came here more than a decade ago, and who are owed our protection and who are on temporary protection visas or SHEVs, to permanent visas. Mr Young interjecting— The SPEAKER: The member for Longman is warned. Mr GILES: That is the commitment we made. It's a commitment I am working towards realising together with my friend the Minister for Home Affairs. We are doing so in the manner in which this government is conducting itself: consultatively and deliberately, making sure we get this right. We will get this right by taking the time to get it right. I welcome any further discussions with the member for Clark, members of the crossbench or members opposite on how we will meet this important commitment.