Mr ROBB (Goldstein) (09:13): I seek to second the motion. Australia needs a Treasurer with a steady hand. Mr Albanese: Mr Speaker, I rise on a point of order. I seek clarification: is the member seconding the motion or is he seeking— Opposition members interjecting— Mr Albanese: He did not say that, Mr Speaker. The motion has not been seconded; he has not seconded it. The SPEAKER: I asked for a seconder. The member for Goldstein has the call. Mr ROBB: This government and this Treasurer are trying to tell Australia that they are paying off the debt and the deficit—